WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.000 00:00:12.871 --> 00:00:14.638 test test >> good afternoon and thank you 00:00:15.707 --> 00:00:17.707 for joining us and 00:00:26.117 --> 00:00:28.152 on the committee of safety intergovernmental and 00:00:28.353 --> 00:00:30.353 military affairs. 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:36.493 I'm happy to do so, we are contemplating the nomination of 00:00:38.697 --> 00:00:40.871 two fine gentlemen in very important jobs for the state of hawaii. 00:00:46.205 --> 00:00:48.673 We will proceed by calling on every piece of testimony that is in support. 00:00:51.643 --> 00:00:53.344 Calling on those that want to comment on the nominees and 00:00:54.946 --> 00:00:56.946 then we will bring the nominees 00:00:57.349 --> 00:00:59.349 at the end. 00:01:01.654 --> 00:01:03.654 That is the game plan. 00:01:12.765 --> 00:01:14.765 For gm 504 this is for kenneth 00:01:15.935 --> 00:01:17.736 harada as the adjunct in general of defense. 00:01:20.473 --> 00:01:23.308 We have suzanne case from dlnr in support, department of health in support. 00:01:23.309 --> 00:01:25.810 Audrey. [Name] In support. 00:01:27.679 --> 00:01:29.679 Doug. 00:01:32.685 --> 00:01:33.921 [Name] In support. David. 00:01:37.150 --> 00:01:39.791 [Name] From the department of transportation in support. Scott. [Name] From dlnr is in support. Craig. 00:01:40.827 --> 00:01:43.662 [Name] In support. Greg. 00:01:43.796 --> 00:01:45.796 [Name] In support. 00:01:47.333 --> 00:01:49.508 [Name] In support. [Name] In support. William. 00:01:53.473 --> 00:01:55.473 [Name] On behalf of dh hl in 00:01:56.443 --> 00:01:57.776 support. Scott. 00:01:59.946 --> 00:02:01.549 [Name] From why electric is in support. Gary. 00:02:04.417 --> 00:02:05.784 [Name] From hi dta in support. Allen. 00:02:08.489 --> 00:02:10.523 [Name] Also in support. if you more sherry Mcnamara 00:02:14.294 --> 00:02:16.295 from the chamber of commerce in support. Victor ramos, david. 00:02:16.430 --> 00:02:18.430 [Name], anthony. 00:02:20.367 --> 00:02:22.367 [Name], neil. 00:02:23.470 --> 00:02:25.470 [Name] In support. 00:02:27.975 --> 00:02:29.975 Jennifername], rory e, 00:02:36.817 --> 00:02:39.870 [Name], troy: [Name] And galen. [Name] All individuals in support. 00:02:39.453 --> 00:02:41.755 Anyone wishing to testify or make commentary on this 00:02:41.755 --> 00:02:43.755 nominee? 00:02:47.328 --> 00:02:49.563 If not, determine if we could have a step forward and tell us a little bit about your 00:02:49.563 --> 00:02:51.563 background and why you want to 00:02:58.339 --> 00:03:00.773 be the states next adjutant general. >> I'm seeking your support for 00:03:05.913 --> 00:03:07.915 advice and consent for the state of hawaii. A little bit about myself, I 00:03:07.915 --> 00:03:09.915 have been in the military for 00:03:12.553 --> 00:03:14.988 almost 36 years. I have been on multiple 00:03:15.923 --> 00:03:18.291 emergency response operations in support of civil authorities 00:03:18.860 --> 00:03:20.860 throughout my career. 00:03:21.997 --> 00:03:24.310 Most notable was for the earthquake on the island of 00:03:25.900 --> 00:03:27.900 hawaii in task force commander 00:03:31.539 --> 00:03:33.807 in 2006 earthquake. Before that I was assistant 00:03:37.346 --> 00:03:39.346 operations officer for the 99 00:03:40.916 --> 00:03:42.583 infantry of the island of hawaii for hurricane. 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:46.919 [Name]Ost recently in 2018 00:03:50.992 --> 00:03:52.346 was a pretty benchmark year for us. 00:03:56.398 --> 00:03:58.660 I was supporting for the hawaii flooding and selected and 00:03:58.967 --> 00:04:00.967 approved as the status 00:04:02.437 --> 00:04:04.437 commander for the volcano 00:04:05.474 --> 00:04:08.142 eruption and for hurricane lane and that gave me the authority to command both national guard 00:04:11.914 --> 00:04:13.914 and active-duty forces. 00:04:17.860 --> 00:04:19.321 I have been the deputy adjutant general for the department for over five years. 00:04:19.321 --> 00:04:21.321 I think that helped me to 00:04:22.624 --> 00:04:24.920 really understand the department. 00:04:30.900 --> 00:04:33.335 Also, as part of my military I have deployed three times. The first time I was as a 00:04:33.336 --> 00:04:35.538 lieutenant commander I have over 800 soldiers under my command in baghdad. 00:04:35.538 --> 00:04:37.538 The second deployment I was a 00:04:38.507 --> 00:04:40.507 deputy commander and let about 00:04:42.511 --> 00:04:44.511 2100 soldiers. 00:04:47.170 --> 00:04:49.170 In 2012 and 13 I took a small 00:04:52.521 --> 00:04:54.223 team of 180 senior leaders and soldiers that were security 00:05:01.970 --> 00:05:03.899 force assistant teams that embeds with the security forces of the nation. 00:05:05.102 --> 00:05:06.969 A very dangerous mission. It proved really challenging 00:05:08.672 --> 00:05:10.139 hose are my combat experiences. 00:05:13.676 --> 00:05:15.676 The reason I want this job is 00:05:17.447 --> 00:05:18.714 my family has proven public servants. 00:05:22.119 --> 00:05:23.920 My dad, uncle and three brothers and now my son are in 00:05:24.488 --> 00:05:26.488 the national guard. 00:05:34.164 --> 00:05:36.499 I first wanted to join the military and it was my dad that said you should join the 00:05:36.499 --> 00:05:39.200 national guard. The national guard is the one where if there's a disaster we 00:05:39.200 --> 00:05:41.238 are the ones that are going to be called upon to help the people of the community. 00:05:41.238 --> 00:05:44.140 Active-duty is really focused on fighting the nation's wars. Son, I would like you to 00:05:47.440 --> 00:05:49.440 reconsider and I said yes, sir. 00:05:49.146 --> 00:05:50.546 That compelled me to join the military. 00:05:54.518 --> 00:05:56.518 As we progress through my 00:05:58.623 --> 00:06:01.192 career one moment for me where I was selected as the chief of the joint staff of hawaii 00:06:01.192 --> 00:06:03.192 national guard. 00:06:04.529 --> 00:06:06.129 in my mind I'm responsible for not only the domestic 00:06:08.232 --> 00:06:10.232 operations but emergency 00:06:12.102 --> 00:06:14.171 readiness of the national guard. I thought it would be focused 00:06:14.272 --> 00:06:16.272 on that, but luckily for me as 00:06:16.975 --> 00:06:18.975 general long was the adjunct 00:06:20.511 --> 00:06:23.480 and general at the time and he said I want you to look at supporting the office of 00:06:25.182 --> 00:06:28.180 homeland security and office of veterans services and not just 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.319 the national guard. 00:06:33.324 --> 00:06:34.625 I took a chart said this is me boss. 00:06:38.162 --> 00:06:40.130 And he said I don't care, and that really set me up for my 00:06:44.350 --> 00:06:45.276 selection as it deputy adjutant general. 00:06:48.140 --> 00:06:50.207 That prepared me with excellent leadership with major general. 00:06:52.310 --> 00:06:54.310 [Name] Here and I like to build 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.680 upon all of the accomplishments 00:06:57.716 --> 00:06:59.249 that we'd had in the past five years. 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.319 Members, any questions? 00:07:04.756 --> 00:07:06.424 Just a statement, and considering we are facing 00:07:07.326 --> 00:07:09.326 coronavirus and the threat that 00:07:12.297 --> 00:07:14.165 is upon us, especially senator baker and I have witnessed you 00:07:16.335 --> 00:07:18.202 in meetings showing true leadership when sometimes we 00:07:18.670 --> 00:07:21.405 think there isn't as much as we would like. 00:07:25.344 --> 00:07:27.344 I have been impressed with how 00:07:28.847 --> 00:07:31.682 you have come forward not just with talking about the upcoming strategic plan and ready to 00:07:33.885 --> 00:07:35.885 execute on that plan. 00:07:37.589 --> 00:07:39.357 We need someone like you, not just in these tough times but 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:42.794 in all of our times. We never know when threats are going to hit us. 00:07:44.363 --> 00:07:46.363 Thank you for your service in 00:07:48.767 --> 00:07:50.767 the past and think you were 00:07:50.770 --> 00:07:52.770 being willing to service 00:07:54.640 --> 00:07:56.841 adjutant general. >> I want to assure our nominee 00:08:01.915 --> 00:08:04.684 that I absolutely agree with everything that you said. I have enjoyed the opportunity 00:08:04.684 --> 00:08:06.753 to work with you in the past and that your leadership abilities and we look forward 00:08:06.753 --> 00:08:08.753 to having you. 00:08:09.288 --> 00:08:11.288 >> thank you. 00:08:17.431 --> 00:08:20.232 >> we will move on to gm 5054 deputy adjutant general department of defense 00:08:20.233 --> 00:08:22.233 gubernatorial nominee steven 00:08:22.836 --> 00:08:24.169 logan for a term to expire on 12-5-22. 00:08:27.674 --> 00:08:29.975 Here is his fan list, governor. [Name] Has submitted testimony in support. 00:08:30.944 --> 00:08:32.944 Doug murdoch in support, 00:08:35.682 --> 00:08:37.483 suzanne case from dlnr in support. Audrey. 00:08:44.391 --> 00:08:46.693 [Name] From the d ags in support. You are supporting a good man. 00:08:46.693 --> 00:08:48.693 Scott. 00:08:53.934 --> 00:08:55.936 [Name] From dlnr in support. Department of health in support. David. 00:08:55.936 --> 00:08:57.770 [Name] In support. Craig. [Name] From budget and finance 00:08:57.971 --> 00:08:59.971 in support. 00:08:59.973 --> 00:09:01.941 [Name] Also in support. Joanne. 00:09:05.845 --> 00:09:07.480 [Name] In support. [Name] Also in support. 00:09:11.180 --> 00:09:13.320 Kurt. [Name] In support. William. [Name] In support. 00:09:13.521 --> 00:09:15.521 Logan. 00:09:18.725 --> 00:09:21.261 [Name] In support. Sharon Mcnamara from the chamber of commerce in support. 00:09:21.762 --> 00:09:24.263 I number of individuals all in support. Just to put them in the record 00:09:24.832 --> 00:09:26.832 they are gary. 00:09:28.870 --> 00:09:31.438 [Name], [Name], victor ramos, [Name], don. 00:09:41.150 --> 00:09:43.840 [Name] Roger. [Name], michael miller, joy cullen, moses. 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.520 [Name] And galen. [Name] All individuals in support. Anyone else wishing to make 00:09:45.520 --> 00:09:48.422 commentary on this nominee gm 505? If not, if we could have you 00:09:52.930 --> 00:09:54.896 come forward. Similarly if you can tell us a bit about your background and 00:09:54.896 --> 00:09:56.896 what you hope to accomplish as 00:09:58.766 --> 00:10:00.766 a deputy adjutant general. 00:10:13.915 --> 00:10:16.500 >> my chair, senator, want to thank you for hearing this matter before you. 00:10:16.500 --> 00:10:18.653 I'm honored and humbled to be considered and I like to articulate some of my military 00:10:18.921 --> 00:10:21.423 and civilians experience I have amassed over the last two years. After nine years of military 00:10:21.423 --> 00:10:23.925 experience with the hawaii national guard. I enlisted in the infantry as a 00:10:24.993 --> 00:10:27.162 senior attending Mckinley high school and later earned a commission to the officer 00:10:27.162 --> 00:10:29.162 candidate school much like 00:10:34.102 --> 00:10:36.102 major general har eight 00:10:40.609 --> 00:10:42.811 did. I enjoyed a binary crew after that and ended up leaving the 00:10:42.811 --> 00:10:44.811 police department after 22 00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:49.918 years at the rank of metropolitan police lieutenant. A symbiotic career where some 00:10:49.918 --> 00:10:51.918 of the leadership I learned and 00:10:53.923 --> 00:10:56.559 the skills that I learned as helicopter pilot and things like that translated into some 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.895 service to the honolulu police department and vice versa. 00:10:58.895 --> 00:11:00.829 After serving for 22 years are selected for a position as the 00:11:04.934 --> 00:11:07.403 state army innovation officer for the army national guard. I love the department became 00:11:07.403 --> 00:11:10.138 full-time in the guard. I have more of a part-time career and a full-time career 00:11:10.140 --> 00:11:11.774 but for the past 16 years this is where I have been working 00:11:17.413 --> 00:11:19.515 full time. It's a critical time for our state. 00:11:19.515 --> 00:11:21.617 If you know the war in afghanistan and iraq was on and we are rotating in ground units 00:11:21.617 --> 00:11:23.785 in their habitually. Readiness was one of the most 00:11:27.958 --> 00:11:30.427 important things. In the 10 years I held the position there was no shortage 00:11:30.427 --> 00:11:33.960 of domestic operations and responses to earthquakes, flooding, wildland fires and 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.960 genomic activity. 00:11:36.533 --> 00:11:38.967 What makes the national guard unique is the mission to provide ready forces for 00:11:46.900 --> 00:11:48.450 overseas contingency operations. But to be posture to support 00:11:48.450 --> 00:11:50.746 the people and citizens of the state of hawaii for natural and man-made disastersuch like 00:11:51.140 --> 00:11:52.448 we are expressing with the current crisis. 00:12:01.891 --> 00:12:03.894 I sharon support major hara's mission. I committed many of the large 00:12:03.894 --> 00:12:05.894 units in my career and held 00:12:06.129 --> 00:12:08.232 positions such as the chief of staff and other demanding positions. 00:12:08.232 --> 00:12:10.132 I file that you prepared me to fulfill the duties of the 00:12:16.400 --> 00:12:18.508 deputy adjutant general. I worked directly with major hara for over 25 years and been 00:12:18.508 --> 00:12:21.244 his deputy on several occasions to include the combat operation and joint task force dual 00:12:23.214 --> 00:12:25.115 status command that he held during the kilauea lava flow 00:12:28.552 --> 00:12:31.488 and the hurricane lane situation. I'm well-suited to support general hara as he takes the 00:12:31.488 --> 00:12:32.789 department even further into the future. 00:12:33.690 --> 00:12:35.758 Want to thank you all again and I can answer any questions you 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.600 May have. 00:12:44.635 --> 00:12:46.536 >> members, any questions? We will break briefly prior to 00:13:16.680 --> 00:13:18.102 taking a vote. >> the three members here in 00:13:18.103 --> 00:13:20.137 front of you have conferred and we find both men highly 00:13:20.138 --> 00:13:21.772 qualified for the two positions that they are nominated for. 00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:31.215 We will take both nominees gm 504 and gm 505 take the vote together in the regulation is 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.322 to advise and consent on both gm 504 and 505. Members any discussion? 00:13:37.322 --> 00:13:39.256 If not senator baker I vote yes. 00:13:44.663 --> 00:13:46.663 >> 00:13:48.634 --> 00:13:51.402 . [Voting] Recommendation is adopted. >> congratulations. 00:17:45.408 --> 00:17:47.843 [Applause] >> thank you for your patience everyone. 00:17:47.944 --> 00:17:50.212 We are convening the committee on public safety intergovernmental and military 00:17:50.212 --> 00:17:52.212 affairs 41:30 agenda. 00:17:52.315 --> 00:17:54.315 We have five items on this 00:17:56.386 --> 00:17:58.387 agenda and I want to say to apologize that batman otherwise 00:18:00.724 --> 00:18:02.926 known as senator. [Name] Is not here had a lot to read last night and this 00:18:02.926 --> 00:18:04.926 morning. 00:18:10.367 --> 00:18:12.501 I will try to move us through the agenda as quickly as possible. 00:18:13.437 --> 00:18:15.437 Of course, giving everyone the 00:18:17.668 --> 00:18:19.266 opportunity to say your thoughts on these measures. Because we anticipate a number 00:18:23.446 --> 00:18:26.480 of individuals in this room as well as outside wanting to speak on measures we will limit 00:18:28.252 --> 00:18:29.986 your testimony to one minute. I will be fair about that so 00:18:30.521 --> 00:18:32.521 whether you're the ag or from 00:18:32.723 --> 00:18:34.723 topical 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:37.593 . [Name] I will cut you off. 00:18:39.363 --> 00:18:41.363 Just get into it because you 00:18:46.804 --> 00:18:49.406 only have one minute to do so. Having set the ground rules, one more thing if you are here 00:18:52.610 --> 00:18:54.511 for a particular bill and when to testify if we could ask you 00:18:54.845 --> 00:18:57.780 to exit because you're holding some people outside and we would like to allow them entry 00:18:58.615 --> 00:19:00.784 as well. Some you might be here for all 00:19:00.784 --> 00:19:03.120 five bills but if you're here for maybe one or two after testify on those bills we would 00:19:03.921 --> 00:19:06.390 like to ask you to free up the room so others that May want to speak as well. 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:11.260 Those are the ground rules, 00:19:12.430 --> 00:19:14.430 will move forward with hb 1902 00:19:15.499 --> 00:19:17.901 house draft two relating to firearms. Under testify list we first 00:19:19.671 --> 00:19:21.671 have the judiciary legislative 00:19:24.909 --> 00:19:27.298 court nader for the white state judiciary May have submitted commentary. 00:19:30.948 --> 00:19:33.661 David nielsen were hpd. >> we do stand our testimony in support. 00:19:37.455 --> 00:19:39.455 >>.Kim from the big island has 00:19:42.894 --> 00:19:45.496 submitted testimony in support. [Name] Or bruce coppola. >> we stand in support and 00:19:46.970 --> 00:19:48.970 offer an amendment. 00:19:52.904 --> 00:19:55.172 >> we got that from you thank you. >> sue. [Name] From the white collision 00:19:56.542 --> 00:19:58.175 of gun violence has submitted testimony of support. 00:20:04.516 --> 00:20:07.485 Ellen carson church of the crossroads has submitted testimony of support. Daniel read from the nra has 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:09.670 submitted testimony in opposition. Todd. 00:20:16.529 --> 00:20:19.300 [Name] Hawaii firearms coalition has submitted testimony in opposition. 00:20:19.310 --> 00:20:20.698 David arthur for hawaii family physicians has submitted 00:20:21.600 --> 00:20:23.368 testimony in opposition. Also todd. [Name] Again. 00:20:26.471 --> 00:20:27.905 We have 24 individuals in support. 00:20:30.976 --> 00:20:33.612 171 individuals in opposition. I will opened up to anyone who would like to testify on house 00:20:35.981 --> 00:20:38.216 bill 1902. Yes? 00:20:44.623 --> 00:20:47.525 >> my name is darcy forster and a deputy public defender with the office of the public defender. 00:20:47.527 --> 00:20:49.529 We did submit written testimony but I believe it is late. 00:20:49.529 --> 00:20:51.529 If you did not receive it I 00:20:54.367 --> 00:20:56.101 will resubmit. Our office is concerned 00:20:56.435 --> 00:20:59.404 specifically with section g having to do with minors. 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:03.740 We understand the need for 00:21:06.980 --> 00:21:09.648 public safety but we don't think a person should be prohibited from owning a 00:21:12.877 --> 00:21:14.476 firearm because as a minor they were diagnosed with having a significant behavioral 00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:20.926 emotional or mental disorder. Under the language of the statute we feel it is too broad. 00:21:22.196 --> 00:21:24.230 This is what we are concerned about. That minors who May have 00:21:28.902 --> 00:21:30.536 behavioral issues on their 12-15 and make need to have 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:36.750 some sort of mental health treatment for things like 00:21:36.142 --> 00:21:38.142 depression because things are 00:21:40.810 --> 00:21:42.820 happening to them or to their families like homelessness or 00:21:42.820 --> 00:21:44.684 the death of a family should be prohibited later in life from being able to seek a job as a 00:21:46.587 --> 00:21:48.488 police officer because the can't have a gun. 00:21:50.190 --> 00:21:51.724 We want them to be able to work and seek jobs in law 00:21:55.462 --> 00:21:57.964 enforcement and more importantly in the military. We have a lot of kids in 00:22:01.535 --> 00:22:04.170 juvenile court who we route to youth challenge which tries to help kids change their lives to 00:22:07.107 --> 00:22:09.376 get into the military. We are concerned this would prohibit them from being able 00:22:09.376 --> 00:22:11.578 to join the military. Thank you very much. 00:22:11.578 --> 00:22:13.279 >> thank you Ms. Forster. Anyone else wishing to testify 00:22:21.722 --> 00:22:23.690 on this measure? >> I am from big island in 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:32.367 chinatown here in oahu and I hope you will go into a restaurant and enjoy chinatown. 00:22:32.367 --> 00:22:34.340 We need the help. I'm testifying as it relates to 00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:37.105 the magazine or what has been labeled as high-capacity magazines which we consider in 00:22:37.105 --> 00:22:40.400 the firearm industry and standard magazine for the 00:22:42.176 --> 00:22:43.426 firearms that they are sold with. 00:22:47.648 --> 00:22:50.318 Again, my concern is we tend to vilify order after the equipment and after the owners 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:52.319 of the equipment that are 00:22:52.821 --> 00:22:55.356 law-abiding citizens and firearm use. I come from a background in 00:22:55.757 --> 00:22:57.757 training and youth work. 00:22:58.727 --> 00:23:00.928 I retired from a youth organization. I spent a good 15-20 years 00:23:04.832 --> 00:23:07.334 working with youth. I still continue to teach recreational firearm training 00:23:09.338 --> 00:23:11.406 and also consult with the military and their training programs. 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.375 Most of my students right now are between the ages of 11 years. What will the student was 76 00:23:15.244 --> 00:23:18.800 years old. The great majority of my students are female. 00:23:18.800 --> 00:23:20.800 There is a higher demand for 00:23:21.216 --> 00:23:23.216 female training nationwide. 00:23:26.155 --> 00:23:27.856 I'd like to say that we need to be going after other things 00:23:28.924 --> 00:23:31.193 that are more proactive like active shooter training. I have not heard that be 00:23:31.193 --> 00:23:33.193 brought up at all. 00:23:33.695 --> 00:23:35.695 If we had active shooter 00:23:37.766 --> 00:23:39.800 training in our schools. [Alarm] And public places were 00:23:43.406 --> 00:23:45.807 not talking about the people to deal with an active shooter but 00:23:46.442 --> 00:23:48.910 were doing a stopgap measure to protect our kids while we are waiting for the police to 00:23:52.581 --> 00:23:54.149 arrive on the scene or the srt. >> 10 more seconds. 00:23:54.683 --> 00:23:56.351 >> doing that again when we have seconds and police are 00:24:01.791 --> 00:24:03.792 minutes away we are trying to firm up that gap by active 00:24:03.926 --> 00:24:06.195 shooter training. Thank you and I'm opposed to the magazine band. >> thank you for your 00:24:06.195 --> 00:24:08.195 commentary. 00:24:08.831 --> 00:24:10.831 Anyone else wishing to testify? 00:24:19.843 --> 00:24:21.377 We are on 1902 the magazine bill. 00:24:23.413 --> 00:24:25.413 [Crosstalk] 00:24:39.696 --> 00:24:41.696 We are on 1902. 00:24:44.267 --> 00:24:46.267 We are on house bill 1902. 00:24:50.373 --> 00:24:53.100 >> name is michael. [Name] I'm a private citizen and I have submitted written 00:24:53.100 --> 00:24:55.100 testimony and I'm only against 00:24:57.214 --> 00:24:59.381 the magazine band portion of this bill. It is not only owns 00:25:01.818 --> 00:25:04.453 constitutional which has been shown by the circuit court 00:25:04.688 --> 00:25:06.688 recent ruling it's also 00:25:07.924 --> 00:25:09.758 unenforceable in my pinion. There is no way you can stop 00:25:13.230 --> 00:25:15.532 this from getting in the air e can't stop fireworks, 00:25:16.330 --> 00:25:18.368 little explosives from getting into the state. Not that these are a problem. 00:25:19.903 --> 00:25:22.638 I don't see anybody running around with an ar 15 shooting up the place. 00:25:27.212 --> 00:25:29.313 They usually use a glock or a pistol. They are usually dumping it 00:25:32.850 --> 00:25:34.551 after they are done. When I hear a bump in the night 00:25:35.860 --> 00:25:36.753 all I have is 30 rounds when I go to defend myself. 00:25:45.197 --> 00:25:47.364 I don't have a 20 round clock magazine. All I have is this and I'm 00:25:48.330 --> 00:25:50.330 literally aked. 00:25:52.203 --> 00:25:54.405 But I need to defend myself at night. Whether there is one threat or 00:25:54.405 --> 00:25:56.506 30 coming at me.Specially with what's been happening 00:25:58.509 --> 00:26:00.877 lately with a lot of the street gangs and youth skating upon people. 00:26:01.947 --> 00:26:03.848 It's not always going to be one. 00:26:11.389 --> 00:26:13.290 >> thank you. Is anyone else wishing to 00:26:22.334 --> 00:26:24.334 testify on house bill 19 oh 00:26:28.807 --> 00:26:30.807 02. 00:26:35.914 --> 00:26:37.949 > I oppose house bill 1902, we need to diminish laws that 00:26:41.987 --> 00:26:43.655 punish criminals and not law-abiding citizens. 00:26:44.957 --> 00:26:46.957 Most laws are blueprint laws 00:26:50.295 --> 00:26:51.929 like california and chicago in crime-ridden states. 00:26:53.332 --> 00:26:55.901 It seems like these laws lead to one thing, gun grab. gun grabbing laws make 00:26:57.537 --> 00:26:59.537 criminals happy. 00:27:01.340 --> 00:27:03.340 They love to make more laws to 00:27:06.412 --> 00:27:08.613 disarm citizens, innocent citizens. They rejoice because they don't 00:27:10.115 --> 00:27:11.449 have to listen or abide by the laws. 00:27:21.930 --> 00:27:23.462 Those failed states Mclaughlin a very communist minded. We can't go that direction. 00:27:23.462 --> 00:27:25.464 Those politicians are like tyrants. We can't go that direction. 00:27:25.464 --> 00:27:27.464 They are shootings every day, 00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:29.567 gun grabbing laws don't work there. Another thing, this leads to 00:27:34.507 --> 00:27:36.408 other presidential candidate that it will work even says yes 00:27:36.542 --> 00:27:38.510 we will take away the ar 15's, yes we will take away the ak-47s. 00:27:40.580 --> 00:27:42.614 That's what it will lead to. I know it doesn't work because 00:27:48.889 --> 00:27:50.923 I have friends that cannot own guns. They always get guns and I 00:27:51.580 --> 00:27:53.250 don't know how they get the guns. This will not stop them from 00:27:56.997 --> 00:27:58.997 getting guns. 00:28:01.467 --> 00:28:04.136 One of them was into drugs, theft, fighting. I just saw him at the gun show 00:28:04.138 --> 00:28:06.138 last year. 00:28:08.542 --> 00:28:10.276 I told him you need a permit to acquire firearms and he told me 00:28:11.111 --> 00:28:13.111 I don't need. 00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:19.985 And he is laughing. He is laughing at me, laughing 00:28:23.157 --> 00:28:25.225 at the laws, laughing at the politicians. You can ignore the gun laws, he 00:28:25.225 --> 00:28:27.928 is going to get it. I don't hang out with them anymore, but that shows that 00:28:28.529 --> 00:28:30.529 the honest-to-goodness truth. 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.569 He said he is getting guns and that is normal. 00:28:35.569 --> 00:28:38.370 anyway, thank you for your time. This is for all three laws. 00:28:40.174 --> 00:28:42.174 >> thank you, so efficient. 00:28:53.870 --> 00:28:55.870 We are still on house bill 902. 00:28:55.656 --> 00:28:57.656 >> my name is john o'donnell I 00:28:59.594 --> 00:29:01.462 oppose this bill because banning the equipment that has 00:29:04.699 --> 00:29:07.667 no public safety benefit, center of attention should be on mental health and repeated 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.307 criminals and lawbreakers. It also should not going to a 00:29:17.545 --> 00:29:20.480 juvenile record. They should have a chance to 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.490 better themselves. Thank you. 00:29:31.694 --> 00:29:33.494 >> thank you. >> my name is adrian flakka I 00:29:35.531 --> 00:29:38.330 did not have an opportunity submit written testimony. I've been busy with other 00:29:38.330 --> 00:29:40.330 things and just returned from 00:29:41.536 --> 00:29:43.604 south korea. I think there are better things 00:29:43.739 --> 00:29:45.739 that we should all be focused 00:29:54.984 --> 00:29:56.984 on such as the covid outbreak. 00:29:58.870 --> 00:30:00.988 This will disarm people where they need more than 30 rounds to defend themselves. 00:30:02.257 --> 00:30:04.257 Especially considering the 00:30:08.598 --> 00:30:10.598 potential for mass calamity 00:30:15.738 --> 00:30:17.505 considering the covid outbreak. I think individuals should be 00:30:18.807 --> 00:30:20.807 able to maintain the rights and 00:30:22.811 --> 00:30:25.447 preserve our second amendment rights and keep 30 round magazines. Thank you. 00:30:34.557 --> 00:30:36.525 >> thank you. >> I'm robbie hart and I'm here 00:30:38.561 --> 00:30:40.261 in support of number 1902 to ban large capacity magazines 00:30:42.933 --> 00:30:45.701 for firearms. Hawaii is the only state in the nation to have an assault 00:30:52.742 --> 00:30:55.244 weapons ban that fails to include rifles and large capacity magazines. 00:30:55.244 --> 00:30:57.412 Assault weapons and large capacity magazines are uniquely 00:30:57.413 --> 00:30:59.748 designed to be capable of mass violence. Potential for mass murder far 00:31:01.818 --> 00:31:03.818 outweighs any possible use for 00:31:05.822 --> 00:31:08.291 hunting, recreation or self defense. They are reported to be thousands of large capacity 00:31:08.291 --> 00:31:10.291 magazines already in hawaii. 00:31:11.327 --> 00:31:13.329 In civilian hands. We should all be banned as well 00:31:19.303 --> 00:31:21.371 as all future sales of large magazines. In 1984 federal assault weapons 00:31:21.371 --> 00:31:23.371 ban prohibited assault weapons 00:31:23.841 --> 00:31:25.608 and high-capacity magazines but the law expired. 00:31:26.610 --> 00:31:28.644 Congress has failed to reenact it. Why can and should enact our 00:31:33.851 --> 00:31:36.552 own laws to ban these large capacity magazines and weapons. The rate of public mass 00:31:39.156 --> 00:31:41.157 shootings has tripled since 2011. The U.S. Now has more mass 00:31:41.158 --> 00:31:43.158 shootings each year than there 00:31:45.262 --> 00:31:47.731 are days in the year. >> 10 seconds please. >> we should do our best to 00:31:47.731 --> 00:31:50.600 prevent any mass shootings here. Thank you. 00:32:06.317 --> 00:32:08.351 >> is anyone else wishing to testify? >> I just want to cover a 00:32:08.419 --> 00:32:10.200 couple things right here that you already heard some good 00:32:11.623 --> 00:32:13.858 testimony about not being standard capacity magazines are 00:32:13.858 --> 00:32:15.392 what we are talking about not large capacity. 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:29.873 The terminology is wrong there. A couple of points. 00:32:30.175 --> 00:32:32.477 Law-abiding citizens use these magazines every day. Figures of the range or go to 00:32:32.477 --> 00:32:34.846 coco head every day you see law-abiding citizens using these magazines for sporting purposes and target shooting 00:32:34.846 --> 00:32:37.748 and whatnot. Law enforcement in respect to major nielsen there we support 00:32:38.783 --> 00:32:41.251 law enforcement wholeheartedly. They are allowed to carry these standard capacity magazines in 00:32:41.786 --> 00:32:43.786 the course of their duty. 00:32:46.291 --> 00:32:48.920 They are civilians just like us here and we feel that we should 00:32:49.428 --> 00:32:51.295 be afforded the same right. They protect themselves when 00:32:52.364 --> 00:32:54.298 they are on duty. We protect our families and 00:32:55.867 --> 00:32:57.768 ourselves we are home. There is no difference between 00:33:04.343 --> 00:33:07.450 them and us except for the batch. We have so many of these magazines how would they be 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:09.915 confiscated in the first place if they were to ban them? There's no grandfather clause 00:33:09.915 --> 00:33:11.915 in the still here and that's 00:33:15.687 --> 00:33:17.455 what makes me worried. [Alarm] And of course there is 00:33:23.296 --> 00:33:25.363 the case that is still going on. We want to make sure we wait on 00:33:26.298 --> 00:33:28.399 that because if you do all this now and that goes through and 00:33:28.801 --> 00:33:30.502 gets approved you will have to have a lot of different things 00:33:34.807 --> 00:33:36.841 going on with this ban and I will confiscate from people. 00:33:38.478 --> 00:33:40.779 >> thank you. Anyone else wishing to testify on 1902? 00:33:46.520 --> 00:33:48.520 Please come forward. 00:33:48.287 --> 00:33:50.288 >> my name is alex. I'm from the island of maui and 00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:55.560 night and from a nonprofit that 00:34:00.266 --> 00:34:02.502 represents action sports enthusiasts from maui. Our family has a class vii 00:34:02.502 --> 00:34:04.504 manufacturer which has the ability to manufacture firearms 00:34:04.504 --> 00:34:06.939 legally and magazines and ammunition in the state of hawaii. 00:34:06.939 --> 00:34:09.874 You'd be preventing her ability to conduct business in the state of hawaii. 00:34:14.914 --> 00:34:17.450 Everybody in this room is ups drivers, taxicab drivers, people that represent many 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:20.953 different facets of life. Overnight with no grandfather 00:34:25.458 --> 00:34:28.327 clause you will make felons. You'll make people that are not going to give it up because 00:34:28.328 --> 00:34:31.297 they will go hey, have you magazines and also in the back of the closet. They get caught and there is no 00:34:31.799 --> 00:34:33.350 avenue to help people out on this. 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.971 The big picture on this is we are all regular people just trying to coexist with an 00:34:42.275 --> 00:34:44.275 already difficult legislative 00:34:48.916 --> 00:34:50.950 session within the state of hawaii. In all the new requirements 00:34:51.452 --> 00:34:53.109 being opposed every single year. I oppose this law. 00:35:12.473 --> 00:35:14.508 >> anyone else wishing to testify? >> thank you for the 00:35:14.508 --> 00:35:16.900 opportunity to speak steve. [Name]. 00:35:17.478 --> 00:35:20.381 I have issues with the juvenile records being unsealed. Juvenile records are sealed for 00:35:20.381 --> 00:35:22.584 a reason and have been for such a long time. Like everybody else said you 00:35:22.584 --> 00:35:24.351 are punishing law-abiding citizens, criminals will still 00:35:26.621 --> 00:35:29.900 obtain these magazines. Has no effect on crime. Rifles are very rarely used in crime. 00:35:29.900 --> 00:35:31.391 I think it is less than one per year of the last 5-8 years in hawaii. 00:35:33.594 --> 00:35:35.594 The biggest issue, one speaker 00:35:42.571 --> 00:35:45.173 a couple before me spoke about being in support of the bill and said that hawaii is the 00:35:45.173 --> 00:35:47.976 only state that has an assault weapons ban that does not ban 00:35:47.976 --> 00:35:50.477 high-capacity magazines. That is a misleading statement because there less than 10 00:35:51.112 --> 00:35:52.951 states that have assault weapons bans in the whole nation. 00:35:54.820 --> 00:35:56.820 The other thing is that our 00:35:56.850 --> 00:35:58.850 stay in hawaii we only ban 00:36:00.355 --> 00:36:02.355 assault pistols. 00:36:02.424 --> 00:36:04.492 That's why were the only state that doesn't ban high-capacity 00:36:08.563 --> 00:36:10.464 magazines in the situation. It's not that hawaii is the 00:36:11.533 --> 00:36:14.502 only state in the union that is not banning these magazines. If you guys give in to consideration I would 00:36:15.905 --> 00:36:17.939 appreciate that. >> anyone else here to testify 00:36:25.147 --> 00:36:27.810 on hospital 1902? >> my name is jacob. 00:36:29.517 --> 00:36:32.387 [Name] And I am from. [Name] I like to further expand the public defender's opinion 00:36:37.693 --> 00:36:40.561 on section g about the juvenile records. I do think the police department should have any 00:36:42.310 --> 00:36:44.310 access to her mental health 00:36:44.233 --> 00:36:46.968 records, it's at the exceptionally dangerous precedent in a free society. They not mental health experts 00:36:47.503 --> 00:36:49.203 or social workers they have no reason or ability to interpret 00:36:50.507 --> 00:36:52.975 that kind of information. This is the kind of thing we 00:36:53.109 --> 00:36:54.776 should be running through doctors who know how the 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.114 hippocratic oath is supposed to work. I think you're setting us up 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.987 for a 1984 scenario here were all people are trapped in the information is spread around. 00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:07.790 That's already happening with google and facebook and amazon 00:37:13.229 --> 00:37:16.131 and all that. And if you have an opportunity here to stop that and say hey, 00:37:16.132 --> 00:37:18.134 what kind of civilization do we want to live in? Do you want to live where 00:37:18.134 --> 00:37:20.134 everybody is handcuffed by the 00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:27.143 records or are we a free society? The other thing too is what 00:37:30.375 --> 00:37:32.515 happens if there is some lady who gets raped by her stepfather when she was a child and has bulimia? That's the kind of records they will have access to. 00:37:32.515 --> 00:37:35.451 We already had a police chief went down for running a 00:37:40.190 --> 00:37:42.259 criminal organization. Do we want to put that at risk? Is that a mistake we want to 00:37:42.259 --> 00:37:43.593 make again? Thank you. 00:37:45.290 --> 00:37:46.662 >> thank you. Anyone else wishing to testify 00:37:47.264 --> 00:37:49.264 on 1902? 00:37:56.706 --> 00:37:58.706 Any questions? 00:38:09.253 --> 00:38:10.602 Senator? >>. 00:38:20.965 --> 00:38:23.700 [Voice low] Will be turning law-abiding citizens that have 00:38:25.269 --> 00:38:26.636 them into criminals if this passes. 00:38:30.774 --> 00:38:32.942 I'm not sure about the mental health, but when I apply for my 00:38:38.650 --> 00:38:40.384 gun permit in 1985 for hunting up in mountain I had to sign a 00:38:42.186 --> 00:38:44.186 release to release my records 00:38:45.590 --> 00:38:47.590 as a juvenile. 00:38:48.158 --> 00:38:50.158 Bottom line is they did not 00:38:51.129 --> 00:38:52.897 find anything, but these are the things that are supposed to 00:38:59.304 --> 00:39:01.304 be protected and protect us. 00:39:20.910 --> 00:39:22.910 [Voice low] Were asking 00:39:27.166 --> 00:39:28.867 law-abiding citizens to not be able to protect themselves. 00:39:29.802 --> 00:39:31.802 We would never do that. 00:39:31.804 --> 00:39:33.804 We would never ask law 00:39:35.107 --> 00:39:36.741 enforcement to cut the amount around to carry because you 00:39:44.650 --> 00:39:46.718 have to serve and protect. Law-abiding citizens want to 00:39:49.922 --> 00:39:51.922 protect their families. 00:39:52.391 --> 00:39:54.391 When I went to the shooting 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.360 range in ewa beach give me a 00:39:59.164 --> 00:40:01.332 nine millimeter. I am not a professional and I 00:40:02.335 --> 00:40:04.336 cut myself loading the pistol. Then he gave me enough rounds 00:40:07.807 --> 00:40:10.176 to shoot at the target. You know how much rounds it took me to have the pistol hit 00:40:10.176 --> 00:40:11.476 the target? All of them. 00:40:13.245 --> 00:40:15.130 [Laughter] What I'm saying is what they 00:40:17.817 --> 00:40:19.817 are saying, we understand it 00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:22.720 sounds like a good idea, but 00:40:24.858 --> 00:40:27.726 going forward I could be more preventive to have law-abiding citizens assist law enforcement 00:40:28.628 --> 00:40:31.263 in the field going forward if you ever have to come and 00:40:32.432 --> 00:40:34.432 defend law enforcement officers 00:40:53.354 --> 00:40:55.456 and brothers and sisters out there. >> first of all the mental 00:40:55.456 --> 00:40:57.457 health we currently access mental health records on every 00:40:57.858 --> 00:41:00.294 permit application under hrs chapter 133.5 with access to those records. Having access to juvenile 00:41:00.294 --> 00:41:02.294 records it will just add 00:41:02.930 --> 00:41:05.397 another particular present somebody that probably should not have a weapon from 00:41:09.369 --> 00:41:11.370 receiving one. If a person under the mental 00:41:12.273 --> 00:41:13.940 health provision is denied a permit they are granted the 00:41:14.775 --> 00:41:16.977 opportunity to go to their doctor and bring us a letter of 00:41:16.977 --> 00:41:19.212 clearance. If you receive a letter of clearance from the doctor 00:41:19.713 --> 00:41:21.681 stating that they no longer suffer from whatever the 00:41:22.950 --> 00:41:24.951 condition was that disqualified them they will become qualified 00:41:25.285 --> 00:41:27.285 and be issued a permit. 00:41:32.660 --> 00:41:34.594 Second on the ammunition, the capacity of the magazines 00:41:34.662 --> 00:41:36.662 hawaii already has a 10 round 00:41:37.365 --> 00:41:38.732 limit on handgun and pistol magazines. 00:41:42.169 --> 00:41:44.270 The intent of this bill is to bring long gun, rifles, ar type 00:41:46.408 --> 00:41:48.408 rifles which we are now seeing 00:41:50.778 --> 00:41:52.450 as the weapon of choice in mass shootings. 00:41:54.849 --> 00:41:56.950 There is multiple instances of documented occurrences during 00:41:58.520 --> 00:42:00.520 mass shootings where lives have 00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:05.860 been saved during the period of time when in shooter needed to change his magazine or her 00:42:09.764 --> 00:42:11.650 magazine. Documented. 00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:14.670 He went to the range to shoot, 00:42:15.336 --> 00:42:16.580 how many rounds were you given? >> 10. 00:42:17.772 --> 00:42:19.772 >> how many rounds gentlemen, 00:42:20.341 --> 00:42:22.341 ladies are you allowed to shoot 00:42:22.377 --> 00:42:24.377 at coco had range? 00:42:26.848 --> 00:42:28.848 >> only five. 00:42:29.818 --> 00:42:31.818 Range rules. 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.795 >> nobody loads for practice 30 rounds in a magazine. Not even honolulu police 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.430 department in our range. In our indoor range outside of our swat team what they are 00:42:55.430 --> 00:42:56.511 doing is a whole different matter. 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:00.482 They are in a different category. 00:43:04.553 --> 00:43:06.788 The intent is not to make criminals of owners of these magazines. 00:43:07.990 --> 00:43:09.891 I would highly recommend to legislator if they do pass this 00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:13.460 bill to defer its effective 00:43:13.463 --> 00:43:15.463 date for six months or so to 00:43:16.633 --> 00:43:18.533 allow magazines to be modified. It is clearly written in the 00:43:21.137 --> 00:43:23.380 penalty section of the bill if you are found in possession of 00:43:35.852 --> 00:43:38.455 one of these large capacity agazines it is a misdemeanor. If you are found with a large 00:43:38.455 --> 00:43:40.490 capacity magazine inserted in your weapon it is a c class felony. 00:43:40.490 --> 00:43:42.490 That is who we are targeting 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.360 those that actually put it in a a weapon we hope the 00:43:46.950 --> 00:43:47.334 legislature will pass this bill. 00:43:48.398 --> 00:43:50.566 We hope the legislature will give time for the owners of 00:43:50.901 --> 00:43:52.970 these magazines to dispose of them on the internet to other jurisdictions where they May be 00:43:52.970 --> 00:43:54.970 legal or to modify the 00:43:57.974 --> 00:43:59.974 magazines to attend round 00:44:01.344 --> 00:44:03.178 capacity. >> as of now hawaii has the 00:44:06.951 --> 00:44:08.951 strictest and hardest gun laws. 00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:18.427 >> that's probably not true. We are given an a-behind 00:44:18.595 --> 00:44:20.595 states like new jersey, new 00:44:27.571 --> 00:44:29.650 york and connecticut. >> do we have strict laws? Yes. Over the strictest in the 00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:31.650 nation? 00:44:35.120 --> 00:44:37.414 I don't believe that is true. >> I have to ask really dumb question. 00:44:37.414 --> 00:44:39.414 Magazines don't have to be 00:44:41.419 --> 00:44:43.955 registered, just the firearm? >> there was a provision in another version of this bill to 00:44:43.955 --> 00:44:45.955 register magazinese don't 00:44:52.997 --> 00:44:55.432 know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. The grandfathering, I have 00:44:55.432 --> 00:44:57.700 sympathy for the owners of these magazines, but we don't see any practical way to 00:44:58.470 --> 00:45:00.504 grandfather the high-capacity magazines that would not be in 00:45:00.605 --> 00:45:02.605 violation of the law when it is 00:45:09.714 --> 00:45:11.781 in effect. >> somebody mentioned 00:45:11.782 --> 00:45:14.830 grandfathering and I was trying to understand how that would work if we outlaw it and you 00:45:14.418 --> 00:45:17.870 don't register the magazine how do we know if you bought it today versus next year? >> we don't know how to 00:45:17.890 --> 00:45:19.890 register magazines, there's no 00:45:21.560 --> 00:45:24.261 mechanism for that in the country. >> what about all the guys that 00:45:26.231 --> 00:45:29.132 collect the guns and the gun has the capacity? 00:45:33.205 --> 00:45:35.205 We be able. 00:45:46.651 --> 00:45:48.753 [Can't understand] >> the way the bill is written possession of it is a 00:45:48.753 --> 00:45:50.554 misdemeanor. Are we going to go in your 00:45:50.756 --> 00:45:52.957 house and look for that? No. Unless we are in your house for 00:45:55.661 --> 00:45:57.962 another reason. If you take a high-capacity 00:45:58.763 --> 00:46:00.698 magazine out of your house and inserted into the weapon then 00:46:03.969 --> 00:46:06.737 it becomes a c felony. That is the intent right there that's our target right there 00:46:09.575 --> 00:46:12.477 aving something in your house that is technically going to be in violation of the law, yes. 00:46:13.245 --> 00:46:15.246 We have reason to go in your house, that very well could 00:46:20.552 --> 00:46:22.553 come back to haunt you. >> a rewriting provisions for 00:46:28.940 --> 00:46:29.489 people to have the capacity magazines? 00:46:32.565 --> 00:46:34.565 >> there is no compensation. 00:46:40.172 --> 00:46:42.640 >> thank you very much. >> Ms. Forrester? I have a quick question about 00:46:43.610 --> 00:46:45.610 the records for minors. 00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:48.947 I'm trying to figure out the rationale for putting that in there. 00:46:50.617 --> 00:46:52.617 I imagine you have a renegade 00:46:53.520 --> 00:46:55.520 16-year-old violent individual 00:46:58.224 --> 00:47:00.258 and you probably don't want them to be 18-year-old or 00:47:00.294 --> 00:47:02.695 21-year-old and register a firearm. Understand what you're saying 00:47:03.263 --> 00:47:05.263 as well, we all do dumb things 00:47:07.734 --> 00:47:09.735 as kids that we would not do as adults. To have that incident when 00:47:14.707 --> 00:47:17.609 you're a teenager happy for the rest of your life I don't see 00:47:17.745 --> 00:47:19.645 is the proper route to go. Is there a way we could just 00:47:20.847 --> 00:47:23.416 put a timeline on this where maybe up until age something 25 00:47:27.540 --> 00:47:28.887 May be maturation begins at 25 and you don't act like such a 00:47:30.157 --> 00:47:31.397 bozo as you did when you were 15. 00:47:34.561 --> 00:47:36.563 Putting some kind of time limit on the holding of the records 00:47:36.563 --> 00:47:38.563 and showing of the records for 00:47:41.350 --> 00:47:43.336 juveniles? >> I suppose that could be inserted. 00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:48.241 Our concern is not necessarily for the renegade 16-year-old 00:47:49.243 --> 00:47:51.243 who might be out of control. 00:47:51.778 --> 00:47:53.778 Our concern is more about the 00:47:57.652 --> 00:47:59.654 child whose parents maybe are not the healthiest parents to 00:47:59.654 --> 00:48:01.654 no fault of their own. 00:48:06.393 --> 00:48:08.494 They are in a situation where they might have to be placed in foster care. 00:48:09.229 --> 00:48:10.930 You're having behavioral issues and anger and you might fight 00:48:11.700 --> 00:48:13.967 with someone at school. Because he had a fight with someone at school, suddenly you 00:48:14.836 --> 00:48:17.170 might start falling into this category where you are having 00:48:19.373 --> 00:48:21.373 behavioral issues. 00:48:23.244 --> 00:48:25.145 If he then turned 17 and things have stabilized and you are 00:48:29.117 --> 00:48:31.752 getting help your options for jobs no longer include because you cannot have a firearm 00:48:33.388 --> 00:48:35.388 things like a career in law 00:48:35.690 --> 00:48:37.690 enforcement or the sheriff or 00:48:44.732 --> 00:48:46.732 maybe even the tsa. 00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:49.437 I'm not sure if you give a gun to be in tsa, but it removes so many options. 00:48:50.172 --> 00:48:52.340 The biggest option we are concerned about is your inability to have a firearm so 00:48:52.340 --> 00:48:54.308 you can go in the military. So many of our young people who 00:48:55.777 --> 00:48:57.845 are really struggling see the military as an option for their 00:48:57.845 --> 00:48:59.845 future to get out of a bad 00:49:01.182 --> 00:49:03.350 situation and reinvent themselves. We have all of these programs 00:49:04.686 --> 00:49:07.422 like youth challenge that are taking our troubled youth and 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.926 funneling them into structure and then getting them to the 00:49:13.262 --> 00:49:15.620 point where they can apply to join the military when they 00:49:19.868 --> 00:49:22.405 turn 18. My concern to answer your question is that those 00:49:22.405 --> 00:49:24.558 18-year-olds would not qualify if there was some sort of limit. 00:49:24.907 --> 00:49:26.907 In juvenile court there are so 00:49:28.811 --> 00:49:31.870 many services provided to our kids that are in juvenile court. 00:49:34.783 --> 00:49:37.318 Not just serve in social services but some of our kids are in foster care because 00:49:38.922 --> 00:49:40.522 their parents are using and they can't care for them. 00:49:42.392 --> 00:49:44.860 Some of them are orphans because their parents have passed away. 00:49:47.263 --> 00:49:49.263 For those kids, those records 00:49:50.566 --> 00:49:53.335 that we want to release were very deep and personal records 00:49:55.370 --> 00:49:57.907 about your whole life you May not have had any control over. 00:50:00.409 --> 00:50:02.409 We are concerned and we want to 00:50:05.415 --> 00:50:07.916 express caution in our office when it comes to releasing 00:50:08.284 --> 00:50:10.852 behavioral health records to law enforcement beyond a very 00:50:13.490 --> 00:50:15.490 controlled situation. 00:50:17.394 --> 00:50:19.394 We feel it is too broad and May 00:50:20.263 --> 00:50:22.364 create a situation where records that hpd does not need 00:50:23.933 --> 00:50:26.200 might be given to them. Like children who have been 00:50:26.200 --> 00:50:28.370 sexually assaulted which was referred to. Those kinds of records have 00:50:31.508 --> 00:50:33.508 very personal details about 00:50:34.445 --> 00:50:37.380 maybe would have happened to someone. In your inability to manage the 00:50:38.548 --> 00:50:40.548 stress or trauma from the. 00:50:41.351 --> 00:50:43.351 Those records I'm not sure need 00:50:46.890 --> 00:50:49.826 to be given to hpd. Records of crimes of violence May be, but not necessarily 00:50:51.528 --> 00:50:53.396 personal records to horrible things that May have happened 00:50:54.765 --> 00:50:56.932 to you as a child. We are very uncomfortable with 00:50:59.403 --> 00:51:01.504 the definition that is in the section we want to make sure 00:51:04.410 --> 00:51:06.430 that we think about the option of the military and also law 00:51:07.545 --> 00:51:09.545 enforcement for young people 00:51:11.382 --> 00:51:13.116 who have changed their lives. You can enter juvenile court at 00:51:13.584 --> 00:51:15.584 the age of 11. 00:51:16.554 --> 00:51:18.554 An 11-year-old has the ability 00:51:19.957 --> 00:51:22.910 to mature by the time they are 14 and then continue to mature 00:51:29.100 --> 00:51:31.100 at 16-18, 20, 21. The current sciences you don't 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:41.480 fully mature until you turn 25. I personally seen kids between 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.480 14-17 have the ability to 00:51:43.915 --> 00:51:45.915 really grow up. 00:51:47.585 --> 00:51:49.954 There are plenty of immature people over the age of 18 in 00:51:49.954 --> 00:51:51.954 this world, but I just don't 00:51:53.424 --> 00:51:55.424 want us to block out kids who 00:51:58.363 --> 00:52:00.865 really want to make a change from having really good options like an military career. 00:52:01.433 --> 00:52:03.433 I would also note that in our 00:52:05.504 --> 00:52:07.506 office we do respect law enforcement. There are plenty of law 00:52:07.506 --> 00:52:09.406 enforcement officers who might've had a rough childhood 00:52:10.875 --> 00:52:12.875 but who got their lives 00:52:14.790 --> 00:52:16.800 together and then joined hpd and they are some of the best 00:52:17.550 --> 00:52:20.510 officers because they understand. We don't want to eliminate this 00:52:22.521 --> 00:52:24.521 career option for kids who can 00:52:25.224 --> 00:52:27.224 get their lives together. 00:52:27.459 --> 00:52:29.459 That was why we wrote our 00:52:33.566 --> 00:52:35.667 testimony. >> you have to be 21 in the 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:40.972 state of hawaii to possess a firearm. What this law will intent for 00:52:45.711 --> 00:52:48.580 that is we will be asking for the juvenile records, mental health records just like we are 00:52:50.490 --> 00:52:52.490 in your adult records. 00:52:53.419 --> 00:52:55.420 What that will do is raise a flag. It will not disqualify you it 00:52:57.230 --> 00:52:58.924 will raise the flag. We will call you in and say 00:52:59.859 --> 00:53:01.859 right now, your permit to 00:53:03.496 --> 00:53:05.497 receive a firearm is on hold red flag has been raised 00:53:08.869 --> 00:53:10.903 because you met the criteria under this law. He received treatment for drug 00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.400 abuse or any of the other 00:53:14.841 --> 00:53:16.841 mental health issues under this 00:53:18.111 --> 00:53:20.879 law as it is for an adult now. At that time, you go to your 00:53:21.981 --> 00:53:24.250 doctor, meet with your doctor and your doctor gives you a 00:53:24.250 --> 00:53:26.250 letter saying you no longer 00:53:26.586 --> 00:53:28.586 suffer the effects of what you 00:53:29.890 --> 00:53:30.956 were treated for in the past. You bring that record to the 00:53:32.580 --> 00:53:34.226 county police department, firearms unit and that will 00:53:36.129 --> 00:53:38.129 qualify you will issue a permit 00:53:42.603 --> 00:53:45.710 if there are no other prohibitions. As far as the military, I don't 00:53:45.720 --> 00:53:47.574 think this will really have anything to do with the military because military 00:53:47.574 --> 00:53:49.242 advised by different standards when they recruit people. 00:53:50.577 --> 00:53:52.577 I have denied military members 00:53:53.947 --> 00:53:55.948 permits and registrations for firearms, yet they serve in the 00:53:57.450 --> 00:54:00.152 military and recruited by the military and have cruise the military it by hawaii state law 00:54:01.122 --> 00:54:03.122 they are unable to possess 00:54:03.224 --> 00:54:05.224 weapons. 00:54:06.627 --> 00:54:08.270 Military abides by different standards. 00:54:09.630 --> 00:54:11.640 There is federal law and then code of military justice which 00:54:11.665 --> 00:54:13.665 will govern what they do for 00:54:15.350 --> 00:54:16.769 the recruiting purposes. >> this is going to raise a red 00:54:21.175 --> 00:54:23.900 flag of the juvenile. >> as it does for an adult. 00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:27.280 If we receive inhibitor on an adult if they go to the doctor the doctor will need to give 00:54:30.651 --> 00:54:33.253 them a letter saying they no longer suffer the effects of that. It happens frequently. 00:54:33.253 --> 00:54:36.223 If the doctor does not give them a letter to clear them they will remain prohibited 00:54:39.594 --> 00:54:41.594 from possessing a firearm. 00:54:43.310 --> 00:54:45.665 >> the idea of having an age limitation-I have never owned a gun and then 50 years old and 00:54:47.668 --> 00:54:49.669 if I want to get a gun now and if I had a juvenile past record 00:54:53.742 --> 00:54:55.709 should the haunt me 35 years after? >> here is the lay of the land 00:54:57.712 --> 00:55:00.114 now senator. Every time there is a mass 00:55:02.317 --> 00:55:04.317 shooting question is how did 00:55:05.558 --> 00:55:07.558 that person get a gun? 00:55:08.220 --> 00:55:10.230 The person was treated for this, suffered this trauma. 00:55:13.729 --> 00:55:14.967 How can we give that person again? 00:55:18.533 --> 00:55:20.535 How do they legally get a gun? Most machetes are done with 00:55:20.535 --> 00:55:22.360 legal firearms. That is the question. 00:55:23.204 --> 00:55:25.204 Hawaii has very strict rules in 00:55:26.341 --> 00:55:28.341 all of our effort to do our due 00:55:28.611 --> 00:55:30.779 diligence in preventing these things from happening here in our state. 00:55:32.247 --> 00:55:34.148 We look for ways to say how can we make sure that somebody that 00:55:37.819 --> 00:55:40.121 has suffered trauma and should not have it should not get that firearm? 00:55:43.358 --> 00:55:45.192 This is just another path to look and make sure that 00:55:45.694 --> 00:55:47.229 everybody we give a firearm permit to and register a 00:55:49.799 --> 00:55:51.799 firearm to should have them. 00:55:58.207 --> 00:56:00.676 >> thank you. >> thank you for your time. >> will move on to our next 00:56:00.676 --> 00:56:02.643 bill that is house bill 2292 hd one relating to electric guns. 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:05.847 First I testifying list is claire connors from the 00:56:11.354 --> 00:56:13.321 attorney general's office. >> we support this bill with 00:56:17.593 --> 00:56:18.944 the opposed and proposed amendments. 00:56:19.930 --> 00:56:21.930 By regulating the use and sale 00:56:22.365 --> 00:56:24.365 of electric guns is 00:56:26.436 --> 00:56:28.236 substantially the same as senate bill 2437 that this 00:56:30.273 --> 00:56:32.274 committee passed on February 7 except there is a couple of 00:56:37.781 --> 00:56:40.616 minor changes. One modifies the training requirement for licensees and 00:56:41.485 --> 00:56:44.453 their employees to sell the electric guns. It makes the training requirement only one time 00:56:45.922 --> 00:56:47.922 versus once every three years. 00:56:48.324 --> 00:56:50.324 Then there is an amendment in 00:56:52.695 --> 00:56:55.397 the private guard statute changing and updating the definition of electric guns in 00:56:55.666 --> 00:56:57.666 that section. 00:57:01.638 --> 00:57:03.638 The amendment that we are 00:57:22.985 --> 00:57:25.703 proposing is simply to clarify the police's authority to conduct the fingerprint and background checks for purposes of determining registration of electric guns. Thank you. >> thank you. 00:57:25.729 --> 00:57:27.729 David nielsen from hpd. 00:57:27.798 --> 00:57:29.632 >> the department stands on its written testimony. >>. 00:57:30.100 --> 00:57:31.635 [Name] From hawaii hunting association has submitted 00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:38.542 testimony of in support. We have three individuals in 00:57:38.542 --> 00:57:40.410 support and 82 individuals opposeoes anyone wishing to 00:57:45.316 --> 00:57:46.916 testify in house bill 2292? Will move on to our next 00:57:48.353 --> 00:57:50.353 measure that is house bill 2709 00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:57.929 relating to the uniform probate code. For this measure first on our 00:57:57.929 --> 00:57:59.929 testifying list is david 00:58:00.497 --> 00:58:03.340 nielsen from hpd. >> the police department stands on its written testimony in 00:58:03.340 --> 00:58:05.340 support of this bill. 00:58:06.471 --> 00:58:08.305 >> harry kim the mayor the big island has submitted testimony 00:58:10.241 --> 00:58:11.491 in support. Mary. 00:58:14.445 --> 00:58:16.914 [Name] Submitted testimony in support. Ellen carson, richard adams david. 00:58:18.549 --> 00:58:20.549 [Name], clifford. 00:58:24.323 --> 00:58:26.892 [Name] William. [Name] All individuals in opposition to this measure. 00:58:26.892 --> 00:58:28.892 Is anyone else wishing to 00:58:32.263 --> 00:58:34.498 testify on house bill on the 709? Questions? Okay, we'll move on to the next 00:58:39.772 --> 00:58:41.772 measure that is house bill 2736 00:58:46.378 --> 00:58:48.646 hd one relating to firearms and ammunition. First in our testifying list is 00:58:52.918 --> 00:58:54.918 david nielsen from hpd. 00:58:59.858 --> 00:59:01.893 >> good afternoon. The honolulu police department 00:59:02.261 --> 00:59:03.595 supports house bill 2736 hd one with concerns. 00:59:05.564 --> 00:59:07.564 This bill seeks to to limit the 00:59:08.434 --> 00:59:10.434 sale of ammunition. 00:59:18.911 --> 00:59:20.911 The hpd supports ammunition to 00:59:26.319 --> 00:59:28.788 promote holding owners. The ammunition permitting ammunition in favor of the 00:59:28.788 --> 00:59:31.322 firearms registration with modifications to include designating an alternate 00:59:33.590 --> 00:59:34.827 identifying caliber for each arm on the registration. 00:59:35.495 --> 00:59:37.495 >> thank you. 00:59:50.976 --> 00:59:53.311 Harry kim from the my mayor has submitted testimony in support. Sue. 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:56.148 [Name] From the white coalition for prevent gun violence has 00:59:56.148 --> 00:59:58.150 submitted testimony in support. Tom lodge from the hawaii hunting association is in 00:59:58.150 --> 01:00:00.352 opposition. Todd. 01:00:00.352 --> 01:00:02.688 [Name] From hawaii firearms coalition is in opposition. Daniel read it from the nra is 01:00:02.688 --> 01:00:04.688 in opposition. 01:00:07.627 --> 01:00:10.495 Bella hughes from shaka t is in support. I have 20 individuals in support. 01:00:10.696 --> 01:00:13.640 Hundred 33 individuals in opposition. Is anyone here wishing to 01:00:25.445 --> 01:00:28.181 testify on house bill 2736? >> I would like to mention that this is only going to add 01:00:28.181 --> 01:00:30.181 hurdles to those who legally 01:00:32.185 --> 01:00:34.986 wish to purchase ammunition. Like most guys when they buy an illegal gun they usually get 01:00:36.622 --> 01:00:38.622 the magazine full already and 01:00:39.158 --> 01:00:41.158 then it is usually a more than 01:00:44.970 --> 01:00:46.966 10 round handgun magazine. I would also point back to my previous comment about how we 01:00:51.604 --> 01:00:53.939 can't even keep fireworks out of the state despite having only one avenue in which can be 01:00:54.107 --> 01:00:56.642 easily expected. We are not going to stop them 01:00:56.643 --> 01:00:58.610 from getting into the hands of criminals.It would only give 01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:06.530 us roadblocks and hindrances for those who purchase illegally. 01:01:06.530 --> 01:01:08.154 it's already against the law for a phone to be in possession of ammunition. 01:01:08.655 --> 01:01:11.560 At the federal level. I would also imagine there is a 01:01:12.959 --> 01:01:15.694 state law in that as well. One of my concerns is there is 01:01:21.535 --> 01:01:23.536 a lot-my ar 15 will have to do is change the barrel and then I 01:01:24.238 --> 01:01:27.206 can fire any number of different calibers. 01:01:27.974 --> 01:01:29.974 >> 10 seconds please. 01:01:33.113 --> 01:01:34.613 >> not just the one in my registration. 01:01:35.450 --> 01:01:37.450 There is also other calibers 01:01:40.121 --> 01:01:42.622 that used different calibers. Such as the 357 that fires 38 01:01:45.726 --> 01:01:48.940 special 44 mags and many others that I can't even list in the time provided. 01:01:48.529 --> 01:01:50.529 Thank you. 01:01:58.473 --> 01:02:00.240 >> yes? >> vice chair and committee 01:02:02.543 --> 01:02:04.977 members my name is denny. [Name] And here's a U.S. 01:02:05.513 --> 01:02:07.747 Citizen and I have been a resident of hawaii since 1972. I have a problem with two 01:02:09.551 --> 01:02:11.118 things in this bill. One is first about the 01:02:15.557 --> 01:02:16.905 registration of selling ammunition. 01:02:20.528 --> 01:02:22.295 The officers spoke to that. I am a long gone guy and I'm a 01:02:25.299 --> 01:02:27.336 shotgun mainly. There's only so many outlets 01:02:27.336 --> 01:02:28.576 you can buy shotgun shells here. 01:02:30.380 --> 01:02:32.380 Quite frankly the different 01:02:35.644 --> 01:02:37.679 brands are very limited. Frankly the ones that are not 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:39.679 limited in the once he can get 01:02:43.217 --> 01:02:46.120 in the state and federal don't work very well in my gun nor do they work very well in a number 01:02:46.121 --> 01:02:48.121 of other guns of other shooters 01:02:48.657 --> 01:02:50.458 out it koko head. For that reason once per year I 01:02:52.294 --> 01:02:54.294 do bring in my own ammunition. 01:02:57.298 --> 01:03:00.340 Some of the other shooters give me their orders and I bring it in and they cut checks to the 01:03:01.569 --> 01:03:04.720 supplier on the mainland and I'm not in the business of selling it and just try to get 01:03:08.143 --> 01:03:10.279 the proper ammunition. >> 10 seconds please. 01:03:10.279 --> 01:03:12.130 >> the last one quite frankly the part about the bill I'd 01:03:13.182 --> 01:03:14.816 like to give you this picture, when you pull your permit down 01:03:15.751 --> 01:03:17.751 at the police department you 01:03:19.689 --> 01:03:21.690 have to have the gauge listed. Shotguns you can take a 12gauge 01:03:22.558 --> 01:03:25.260 shotgun and you can make it any gate you want with those tubes. 01:03:26.562 --> 01:03:28.562 The way the bill reads right 01:03:31.333 --> 01:03:33.301 now is if I have a 12gauge shotgun I cannot buy any 01:03:34.837 --> 01:03:36.904 ammunition other than 12gauge. Quite frankly the majority of 01:03:38.108 --> 01:03:40.109 the police down there I don't even think they know that you 01:03:41.211 --> 01:03:43.211 can do that with a shotgun. That would really hamper my 01:03:44.113 --> 01:03:46.113 sport because we is that all of 01:03:50.860 --> 01:03:52.120 the time. I am in opposition. >> thank you. 01:03:53.189 --> 01:03:55.189 Anyone else wishing to testify? 01:04:00.297 --> 01:04:02.297 >> senator, I'm a proud 01:04:04.398 --> 01:04:07.136 american lifelong hawaii resident. I would just like to point out 01:04:07.136 --> 01:04:09.839 and not sure how familiar you are with the united states constitution, but the last four 01:04:09.839 --> 01:04:11.339 words in it say shall not be infringed. 01:04:16.113 --> 01:04:18.348 That is all I have. I'm in strong opposition of this. >> thank you. 01:04:18.348 --> 01:04:20.348 Anyone else wishing to testify 01:04:20.750 --> 01:04:22.485 on this measure? Will go with this gentleman and 01:04:41.338 --> 01:04:43.673 will get to you two. >> I am drawn. [Name] Again I'm in opposition 01:04:44.374 --> 01:04:47.110 of this bill. there's no public safety benefit, the criminals and the 01:04:47.110 --> 01:04:49.813 mentally affected will all be able to get ammunition. 01:04:50.248 --> 01:04:52.248 Thank you. 01:04:53.217 --> 01:04:55.217 >> thank you john. 01:04:59.256 --> 01:05:01.256 Gentlemen in the yellow shirt. 01:05:05.196 --> 01:05:07.432 >> my name is adrian. [Name] I didn't have an 01:05:07.432 --> 01:05:08.865 opportunity to submit written testimony. 01:05:13.437 --> 01:05:15.573 I just want to enter my verbal testimony in strong opposition to this bill. Thank you. 01:05:15.573 --> 01:05:17.573 >> thank you. 01:05:23.181 --> 01:05:25.417 The gentleman in the back? >> thank you for listening to 01:05:25.417 --> 01:05:27.417 me. 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.540 This bill increases cost and red tape for the law-abiding 01:05:34.859 --> 01:05:37.794 gun owner. People who get firearms and ammunition illegally don't 01:05:38.296 --> 01:05:41.320 follow laws anyway. It's once again only punishing the law-abiding. 01:05:43.335 --> 01:05:45.335 The other issue is that a 01:05:47.772 --> 01:05:49.774 registration info is our own personal information that is 01:05:49.774 --> 01:05:51.774 supposed to be confidential and 01:05:52.277 --> 01:05:54.278 it's actually covered in 134 hrs on what the registration 01:05:56.782 --> 01:05:58.716 information can be used for. This is not one of the purposes 01:06:00.886 --> 01:06:03.754 it can be used for. As everyone else said if we have an ar 15 I think there is 01:06:05.490 --> 01:06:07.490 at least 50 if not 65 calibers 01:06:08.493 --> 01:06:10.493 you can load into an ar 15. 01:06:10.796 --> 01:06:12.563 Her registration only shows one caliber at most work might say 01:06:19.504 --> 01:06:21.573 multi-which means any caliber. There's lots of difficulties 01:06:21.573 --> 01:06:23.141 with this bill and I speak in strong opposition. 01:06:29.414 --> 01:06:31.414 Thank you. 01:06:33.786 --> 01:06:35.786 >>. 01:06:37.423 --> 01:06:40.250 >>. [Voice low] I agree very much 01:06:40.250 --> 01:06:41.860 so with the previous speakers. We keep adding layers and 01:06:47.833 --> 01:06:50.360 layers of administrative requirements. Right now if you're going to 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:51.903 register a gun someone takes my class and they get an affidavit 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.408 so they can use that in application. It is a back-and-forth thing, 01:06:55.408 --> 01:06:57.843 back to the police department, back to the dealer and back to the police department. 01:06:57.911 --> 01:06:59.911 Now we are adding another layer 01:07:07.554 --> 01:07:10.560 on their as the other gentleman said with tubes for a shotgun. Then you have got this issue we 01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:12.525 have invested all this money to have the versatility of that particular firearm that you 01:07:12.525 --> 01:07:14.827 cannot get the other types of gauges for that shotgun when you're at the range. 01:07:14.827 --> 01:07:17.296 Back to the dealer, another layer of paperwork. We have already done our mental 01:07:17.363 --> 01:07:19.532 health background screening, we've already been back to the police station and the long 01:07:19.532 --> 01:07:21.700 line. Fortunately on the big enemy of 01:07:23.870 --> 01:07:26.390 the places we can register guns. Unfortunately for the highest 01:07:26.390 --> 01:07:27.974 population in the state you have one place to go on this 01:07:30.377 --> 01:07:32.845 island and that's the major police station which is unfortunate for the people here 01:07:32.879 --> 01:07:34.879 that have to wait in line all 01:07:36.950 --> 01:07:39.850 the time. It's another ministry layer and I'm strongly opposed to it. 01:07:39.850 --> 01:07:41.520 Thank you. >> anyone else wishing to 01:07:58.939 --> 01:08:01.142 testify? >> reading through it there's too much pork in this thing 01:08:01.142 --> 01:08:03.443 here's too many directions it's going. as a gun store the part that 01:08:06.672 --> 01:08:08.948 scares me is during a time of crisis the-anyone who might please permit can come in and grab a firearm or ammunition from our federal firearms 01:08:10.170 --> 01:08:12.180 license he regulated by atf store. The problem that we have with 01:08:14.488 --> 01:08:16.488 this is the. 01:08:16.991 --> 01:08:18.692 [Name] Just declared a crisis with covid 19. 01:08:22.397 --> 01:08:24.264 Does that allow npd my police department, and sees everything 01:08:25.166 --> 01:08:27.467 because the governor declared a crisis? It's poorly defined, poorly 01:08:29.603 --> 01:08:31.547 written and it does not give the clarity of what a crisis is. 01:08:32.106 --> 01:08:34.107 Does not give the clarity of what is each distinct thing 01:08:37.512 --> 01:08:39.613 going on. Lastly, this law also allows 01:08:40.215 --> 01:08:42.683 the chief of police subjectively to go into any 01:08:45.586 --> 01:08:47.586 business or individual to 01:08:51.459 --> 01:08:54.162 inspect ammunition or firearms. No offense, coming from an outer island we look at what's 01:08:54.162 --> 01:08:56.162 going on in the water with the 01:08:59.701 --> 01:09:02.169 previous chief of police, if the previous chief of police has a bad day and he's mad at 01:09:02.203 --> 01:09:04.204 his cousin he's going to start harassing and hazing him and 01:09:04.205 --> 01:09:06.940 there's no venue that clearly defines why these things are going to happen. I oppose it. 01:09:15.484 --> 01:09:17.484 Thank you. 01:09:18.453 --> 01:09:20.453 >> I am in opposition to the 01:09:21.757 --> 01:09:23.757 bill hb 2236 in the magazine 01:09:24.493 --> 01:09:25.759 bill as well and the parts bill. 01:09:29.198 --> 01:09:31.198 I'm in opposition to any 736 01:09:35.104 --> 01:09:37.104 because pre-purchased long guns 01:09:37.105 --> 01:09:38.639 before July 1984 did not have to be registered. 01:09:40.308 --> 01:09:42.309 Now, if you have those you cannot buy ammunition according 01:09:42.678 --> 01:09:44.578 to this bill. Nobody in their right mind is 01:09:47.490 --> 01:09:49.490 going to register these pre-94 01:09:49.652 --> 01:09:51.652 weapons because they know based 01:09:52.455 --> 01:09:54.455 on the previous actions of the 01:09:54.957 --> 01:09:57.525 state registration these two confiscation. That's all I have. 01:09:59.194 --> 01:10:01.194 >> thank you. 01:10:01.698 --> 01:10:03.698 Anyone else wishing to testify 01:10:09.710 --> 01:10:10.505 on 2736? >> jacob. 01:10:13.576 --> 01:10:15.310 [Name] I wanted to say for the record I'm not anti-cop I just 01:10:17.179 --> 01:10:19.714 recognize there has to be a balance between the police and the citizens. 01:10:24.154 --> 01:10:26.155 When that balance gets out of whack and you have things like 01:10:26.156 --> 01:10:28.758 ferguson or the L.A. Riots or something like that. The second amendment there is 01:10:28.758 --> 01:10:30.927 to protect everyone and not just people but you guys as well. 01:10:30.927 --> 01:10:32.927 The founders realize this is an 01:10:34.597 --> 01:10:35.841 important part of the free state. 01:10:37.534 --> 01:10:39.534 People have to be on the same 01:10:40.137 --> 01:10:42.137 level as the government. 01:10:42.272 --> 01:10:44.272 As far as the ammunition bill, 01:10:45.108 --> 01:10:47.108 it will just create a revenue 01:10:47.310 --> 01:10:49.310 source for criminals. 01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:52.181 You drive up the price of ammo and you're taking a risk here 01:10:56.754 --> 01:10:59.322 coming to testify because now my name is on public record and somebody could look me up and 01:10:59.356 --> 01:11:01.356 they know where I live and I 01:11:02.392 --> 01:11:04.426 become a target. Like all these people here we 01:11:06.196 --> 01:11:08.196 are going to be the new source 01:11:10.425 --> 01:11:13.136 of ammo for the criminals. We are the ones they will be coming after. I really hope that you take this into consideration. 01:11:14.538 --> 01:11:17.730 Thank you. >> thank you for testifying. anyone else wishing to testify 01:11:18.342 --> 01:11:20.342 on this measure? 01:11:25.783 --> 01:11:27.750 >> can I go again? >> no, we made a deal I gave 01:11:33.190 --> 01:11:35.726 you three minutes. We'll move on to the last measure on this measure which 01:11:35.726 --> 01:11:38.195 is 2744 relating to gun violence prevention. We have. 01:11:39.764 --> 01:11:41.764 [Name] From hpd which has 01:11:42.166 --> 01:11:44.166 submitted testimony in support. 01:11:45.836 --> 01:11:47.836 Paul herrera for the white 01:11:48.707 --> 01:11:51.309 police department has committed testimony in support. Mayor came from the big island 01:11:51.309 --> 01:11:53.309 also in support. 01:11:58.282 --> 01:12:00.784 Brian black from civil beat law center has submitted testimony in opposition. 01:12:00.818 --> 01:12:02.818 Ellen carson from the church of 01:12:03.387 --> 01:12:05.657 the crossroads and 14. Sandy. [Name] From common cause hawaii is in support. 01:12:05.657 --> 01:12:07.657 Sue hornet for the white 01:12:12.664 --> 01:12:15.166 coalition of prevent gun violence is in support. Todd. [Name] From hawaii firearms 01:12:15.166 --> 01:12:17.768 coalition is in opposition. Daniel read is from the nra in opposition. 01:12:24.709 --> 01:12:26.779 I have 31 individuals in support. 103 individuals in opposition. 01:12:26.779 --> 01:12:28.779 Is anyone here wishing to 01:12:33.318 --> 01:12:34.682 testify on house bill 2744? Yes? 01:12:38.757 --> 01:12:40.826 >> alex from the island of maui. No offense, looking at this 01:12:40.826 --> 01:12:42.826 thing you guys have created an 01:12:44.263 --> 01:12:46.866 all-star team of anti-gun people. You should include local business owners, fs files, you 01:12:46.866 --> 01:12:48.866 should include local people 01:12:50.202 --> 01:12:51.836 that represent the shooting community in this to help 01:12:52.337 --> 01:12:54.337 either advise or to help work 01:12:57.276 --> 01:13:00.178 with this organization because studying gun violence one-sided is not really a fair thing. 01:13:01.280 --> 01:13:03.281 No offense. Everybody on maui strongly opposes this. 01:13:04.417 --> 01:13:06.318 Thank you. >> thank you alex. 01:13:11.757 --> 01:13:13.793 Anyone else wishing to testify? >> we submitted some late testimony. 01:13:13.793 --> 01:13:15.793 I apologize if you don't have 01:13:25.371 --> 01:13:26.719 it here. >>. 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:34.981 [Name] From kauai I am mainly a posted this as a taxpayer 01:13:34.981 --> 01:13:36.981 because I feel it is a waste of 01:13:37.170 --> 01:13:39.170 my money. 01:13:39.786 --> 01:13:41.786 That is all I have got to say. 01:13:42.689 --> 01:13:44.689 >> thank younyone else 01:13:51.298 --> 01:13:53.298 wishing to testify? 01:13:53.967 --> 01:13:56.302 >> my name is carolyn. [Name] I'm a resident with the 01:13:58.205 --> 01:13:59.839 state of hawaii. Proud resident of wester 01:14:00.407 --> 01:14:02.545 village. I've submitted written testimony in favor of this 01:14:02.545 --> 01:14:04.545 bill. 01:14:06.780 --> 01:14:08.448 I wanted to point something out because I have been listening 01:14:10.784 --> 01:14:12.919 for the last hour or two to all the support for guns and I just 01:14:16.356 --> 01:14:18.356 wanted to voice support for our 01:14:18.859 --> 01:14:21.227 ohana and the threat that inappropriate use of those guns 01:14:24.565 --> 01:14:26.399 poses to the people of hawaii. We have a very quiet state, 01:14:29.970 --> 01:14:32.839 thank heavens. From the standpoint of gun violence when compared to a lot 01:14:33.407 --> 01:14:36.175 of the united states. We still lose 50 of our citizens each year to gun violence. 01:14:42.817 --> 01:14:44.851 I think being able to study gun violence in all of the many 01:14:47.488 --> 01:14:50.290 complex drivers of gun violence will put us in a better position to make sure that 01:14:50.525 --> 01:14:52.525 hawaii continues to pass and 01:14:55.529 --> 01:14:57.529 enforce common sense, sensible 01:14:58.310 --> 01:14:59.967 bills to keep our state from having the gun violence we are 01:15:01.970 --> 01:15:04.205 seeing everywhere else. It is a different kind of epidemic but it's an epidemic 01:15:04.205 --> 01:15:06.205 nonetheless. 01:15:10.878 --> 01:15:12.232 >> thank you. Yes? 01:15:19.387 --> 01:15:21.423 >> michael rice once more. I mostly focusing on the ghost 01:15:21.423 --> 01:15:24.358 gun part of this. It's already illegal to be in 01:15:24.993 --> 01:15:27.494 possession of a ghost gun. All this does, the specifically goes after what's referred to 01:15:30.565 --> 01:15:32.399 as 80 percent lowers which are usually is a lower receiver 01:15:33.969 --> 01:15:35.903 that needs to be drilled out. I've heard it referred to that 01:15:41.676 --> 01:15:43.444 these things are like legos and you put some pieces and you 01:15:45.881 --> 01:15:48.150 have got a gunt's not that simple you have to have the 01:15:48.150 --> 01:15:51.180 tools and expertise to actually do this. The average tweak or is not going to be grabbing 80 percent 01:15:55.524 --> 01:15:57.693 and robbing someone with it. It also like to point out that 01:15:57.693 --> 01:15:59.829 there are several sources of ghost guns that come to the state mostly from the 01:15:59.829 --> 01:16:02.463 philippines. They make some nice quality 1911's and backyards there. 01:16:04.366 --> 01:16:06.433 Effectively one of the filipino priests who head's up the mega 01:16:09.405 --> 01:16:12.107 church was found with several guns on his plane. There's probably a smuggling 01:16:13.576 --> 01:16:16.444 connection there. I'd like to mention that this is mostly a hobby thing. 01:16:22.384 --> 01:16:23.746 In fact I'm sorry, I'm getting flustered. 01:16:26.623 --> 01:16:29.525 I wanted to display how easy it is to make a ghost gun by bringing two pipes in m. That 01:16:35.932 --> 01:16:37.934 is as it gun all we need is a nail to put in there and I have got something I can rob someone 01:16:37.934 --> 01:16:39.934 in an atm with which is 01:16:41.937 --> 01:16:43.505 referred to as a bank stick by divers. >> thank you. 01:16:49.120 --> 01:16:50.512 >> anyone else? >>. 01:16:55.518 --> 01:16:58.487 [Voice low] I'm looking at tax dollars being spent in getting the most out of each dollar that spent. 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:05.662 I think well-intentioned but reading into it I hate to quote someone else in the room but I 01:17:05.662 --> 01:17:07.662 will, it's an all-star cast of 01:17:12.200 --> 01:17:14.536 people that are definitely already shown to be anti-gun. I'd like to see more of a 01:17:14.538 --> 01:17:17.400 balance in the group, but I don't think that's even where we are going with this. 01:17:17.400 --> 01:17:19.174 Issue and people seem to be burying our heads in the sand 01:17:20.100 --> 01:17:22.179 and a lot of these things is that they have not seen anybody take the stance of active 01:17:22.179 --> 01:17:24.179 shooter training. 01:17:26.617 --> 01:17:28.786 Both in all state departments and at the doe especially or 01:17:28.786 --> 01:17:31.320 anywhere we have large gatherings of people that are 01:17:36.461 --> 01:17:38.462 in gun free zones. Active shooter training does 01:17:42.687 --> 01:17:44.749 not mean your teaching people how to defend themselves with guns you are teaching them how to buy time to be safe in order for people like the police 01:17:47.204 --> 01:17:49.405 department to come there and help. I would love to see the dollars 01:17:54.112 --> 01:17:55.779 being spent to protect our children in our community but 01:17:56.147 --> 01:17:57.814 that should include active shooter training at all levels 01:18:01.430 --> 01:18:02.626 within our state. Thank you. >> anyone else wishing to 01:18:08.793 --> 01:18:11.940 testify?>> steve. [Name] Thank you for giving me 01:18:11.630 --> 01:18:13.797 the opportunity to speak. The commission is a waste of time and funding. 01:18:18.536 --> 01:18:20.638 We already have among the lowest rate of gun violence in the country. 01:18:20.638 --> 01:18:22.472 I don't feel like we need to spend a lot more time and money 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:24.640 on this factor. 01:18:34.986 --> 01:18:37.388 80 percent lower is defined as not being a firearm. When you work on 80 percent to 01:18:38.230 --> 01:18:40.891 make it 80+.0001 percent it becomes a firearm and it's already illegal to own without 01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:43.293 being registered and having a serial number on it. It 3d printed gun in which are 01:18:46.265 --> 01:18:48.834 very unreliable. If you 3d print a gun and don't have a serial number it is 01:18:48.834 --> 01:18:51.702 already illegal. If you steal a gun, a gun is 01:18:52.637 --> 01:18:54.637 lost and you obtain it or you 01:18:55.574 --> 01:18:58.342 deface or remove the serial number that is already illegal. This bill is trying to make 01:18:59.511 --> 01:19:02.790 things that are already illegal and make them more illegal. 01:19:04.850 --> 01:19:06.751 That doesn't make sense to me at allhank you very much. 01:19:11.790 --> 01:19:13.791 [Laughter] >> that is exactly right, we 01:19:14.593 --> 01:19:16.594 are trying to make it more illegal. Right now it's a petty 01:19:18.764 --> 01:19:20.764 misdemeanor to possess a 01:19:23.636 --> 01:19:25.637 firearm without a serial number. This bill seeks to make it a 01:19:27.106 --> 01:19:29.106 class c felony. 01:19:30.576 --> 01:19:31.843 Ghost guns are very easy to assemble. 01:19:36.148 --> 01:19:38.385 All you need is a drill. In most cases they come with kits with all the parts to put 01:19:38.385 --> 01:19:40.385 them together. 01:19:42.889 --> 01:19:45.325 law enforcement-since the honolulu police department 01:19:45.325 --> 01:19:48.193 began tracking ghost guns which are brought in for registration 01:19:49.128 --> 01:19:50.366 in December we've seen over 100. 01:19:51.697 --> 01:19:53.697 It's not just a simple hobby. 01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:56.770 It's becoming much more than that. That is just those people who 01:19:56.770 --> 01:19:59.171 are doing it legally for our current laws. 01:20:08.281 --> 01:20:10.415 If you go to california, sacramento is the epicenter of ghost guns. 01:20:10.783 --> 01:20:13.652 They have parties to make them. We are seeing these weapons more and more involved in crimes. 01:20:14.621 --> 01:20:17.124 While I agree it is impossible right now with the current 01:20:17.124 --> 01:20:19.124 interpretation of the gun 01:20:22.950 --> 01:20:24.163 control act, the federal control gun act of 1968 with 01:20:24.231 --> 01:20:26.798 alcohol bureau of alcohol to a firearms and explosives to prevent the 80 percent ghost 01:20:29.602 --> 01:20:32.305 gun receivers from being shipped anywhere, what we can 01:20:36.643 --> 01:20:38.845 do is make it significantly-a felony to business those without going through the 01:20:39.179 --> 01:20:41.179 proper procedures to register a 01:20:42.316 --> 01:20:44.316 permanent registration. 01:20:47.821 --> 01:20:49.856 >> thank you. Anyone else wishing to testify 01:20:51.959 --> 01:20:53.959 on this measure? 01:20:54.895 --> 01:20:56.663 >> hello again. [Name] Mcdonald. 01:20:57.765 --> 01:20:59.765 I oppose this bill because the 01:21:01.235 --> 01:21:03.235 current law is working fine. 01:21:04.638 --> 01:21:06.638 I went last friday and built an 01:21:11.813 --> 01:21:13.780 ar 15 and I got it registered as a fully built. The system is working. 01:21:14.315 --> 01:21:16.315 If I was a criminal I would not 01:21:17.284 --> 01:21:19.219 have gone in there to do this. It would be a waste of my time 01:21:20.454 --> 01:21:23.356 as a criminal and it would be easier to just do what they do 01:21:25.894 --> 01:21:27.894 and be a criminal. 01:21:28.463 --> 01:21:30.463 I did it legally and now if I 01:21:32.267 --> 01:21:34.267 build another one will make it 01:21:37.271 --> 01:21:38.939 harder for more people. We want to do the right thing 01:21:41.310 --> 01:21:43.878 and follow the law. This is more stuff getting put in our way as a citizen. 01:21:45.847 --> 01:21:47.847 Thank you. 01:21:52.954 --> 01:21:54.954 >> anyone else wishing to 01:21:56.157 --> 01:21:58.157 testify? 01:21:58.894 --> 01:22:00.828 >> I remember when everybody in the government at the beginning 01:22:03.999 --> 01:22:06.901 of this legislation all sat around holding hands saying okay we will do something about 01:22:09.271 --> 01:22:11.271 the cost of living and now it's 01:22:12.374 --> 01:22:14.441 one tax proposal after another. I am all for good information 01:22:20.816 --> 01:22:22.483 as far as criminality and I think the resources out there 01:22:25.487 --> 01:22:27.488 to get that. I don't think having a stacked 01:22:27.489 --> 01:22:29.957 deck to get the results that people seem to want is going to help anybody at all. 01:22:31.493 --> 01:22:33.493 As far as the ghost gun issue, 01:22:51.381 --> 01:22:53.382 the grip angle on a glock socks. There kits that make it 01:22:54.317 --> 01:22:56.386 straighter so it feels more like in 1911. There's a number of reasons why 01:22:56.386 --> 01:22:58.655 somebody would want to manufacture an old firearm. It's a great feeling to do your 01:22:58.655 --> 01:23:00.757 own thing and make your own stuff. We would not want to holdback 01:23:00.757 --> 01:23:02.591 people who want to experiment and try different things on their own. 01:23:03.826 --> 01:23:06.394 This would basically reduce their ability to innovate. Thank you. >> anyone else wishing to 01:23:10.267 --> 01:23:11.534 testify on the measure? Questions? 01:23:14.537 --> 01:23:16.572 I have a question for todd. [Name]. is someone from the hawaii 01:23:25.348 --> 01:23:28.217 firearms coalition here? I look at the people being put onto this commission and you're 01:23:30.554 --> 01:23:32.955 right, it's all stacked against those who embrace the second amendment. 01:23:33.923 --> 01:23:36.920 I don't know what other organization to put on their to 01:23:47.804 --> 01:23:49.805 bring some level of- >> the list is law enforcement 01:23:50.808 --> 01:23:52.810 officials, judicial officials, educators. I don't think we can make cross 01:23:52.810 --> 01:23:54.810 categorization that they are 01:23:54.945 --> 01:23:56.279 all against the second amendment. 01:23:59.783 --> 01:24:01.584 >> I did not say that,. >> it's just titles. 01:24:07.525 --> 01:24:10.194 People who served for certain positions. The chief justice of the 01:24:10.194 --> 01:24:12.194 supreme court, the director of 01:24:15.499 --> 01:24:17.500 health, public safety, county prosecuting attorney, public 01:24:21.906 --> 01:24:23.674 defender, police chief. The dean of the college, the 01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:32.649 dean of the college of medicine. List titles and representatives. 01:24:33.751 --> 01:24:35.952 And if we can categorize them all as anti-second amendment. As not listing specific 01:24:39.186 --> 01:24:41.300 individuals and those individuals will change over time. >> I just think the voice of 01:24:43.328 --> 01:24:45.950 those who-I want to say things incorrectly, but it seems 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:50.701 heavily weighted that those who are firearms enthusiasts have 01:24:51.690 --> 01:24:53.690 no say on this commission. 01:24:53.405 --> 01:24:55.405 Not one opportunity. 01:24:59.430 --> 01:25:01.430 >> again, senator it is a gun 01:25:01.146 --> 01:25:03.914 violence and violent crimes commission. It's not dealing with firearms 01:25:05.583 --> 01:25:07.583 it's dealing with the violence 01:25:14.126 --> 01:25:17.280 caused by firearms and violent crimes. It's not dealing with firearms 01:25:17.620 --> 01:25:18.762 registration, firearms procurement or firearms law 01:25:20.666 --> 01:25:22.700 specifically. >> it's gun violence were not 01:25:23.568 --> 01:25:26.504 talking nice violence we are talking gun violence. 01:25:29.742 --> 01:25:31.142 >> yes. >> I think there should be 01:25:33.645 --> 01:25:35.130 someone to have a semblance of balance. 01:25:36.749 --> 01:25:38.749 This thing is so stacked. 01:25:42.687 --> 01:25:44.822 >> I just want to say is not listing people assisting people 01:25:45.625 --> 01:25:48.193 who are involved on a daily basis. >> I'm asking is audience is 01:25:49.950 --> 01:25:51.950 there an entity out there if I 01:25:58.971 --> 01:26:00.971 was the hawaii rifle 01:26:01.106 --> 01:26:04.760 . >> the majority of people that 01:26:13.186 --> 01:26:15.188 you just read off-he was talking about violence to prevent violence in hawaii. 01:26:15.188 --> 01:26:17.188 Should we list all the weapons 01:26:20.761 --> 01:26:23.280 that could be possibly used in violence? >> the commission is to examine 01:26:24.498 --> 01:26:26.532 other types of violence. >> the thing is, everything is 01:26:27.634 --> 01:26:29.634 there and you guys observation 01:26:33.390 --> 01:26:34.640 is just anti-gun. If they said you should be 01:26:38.345 --> 01:26:41.314 carrying a six inch blade or others are talking about other weapons. The only thing we are talking 01:26:47.988 --> 01:26:50.556 about is guns in this group. >> what organization other will 01:26:53.930 --> 01:26:55.727 put one person from some local entity on this? 01:26:59.633 --> 01:27:01.668 And what the entity is? >> bigger than we have on 01:27:03.670 --> 01:27:05.670 targeting corporation and 01:27:06.273 --> 01:27:08.273 firearm training and also. 01:27:18.786 --> 01:27:21.687 [Can't understand] >> do you want to come forward? 01:27:21.689 --> 01:27:24.258 >> are several nonprofits across the state that handle different aspects of firearm 01:27:24.258 --> 01:27:26.593 training and safety including those that are in range 01:27:26.593 --> 01:27:28.227 development on the island of kauai that work actively with 01:27:28.829 --> 01:27:30.863 dlnr in the state building gun ranges. >> tell me an organization. 01:27:33.340 --> 01:27:35.340 >> on target incorporated, we 01:27:35.837 --> 01:27:37.837 have hot. 01:27:40.842 --> 01:27:42.842 [Name] The concern would be too 01:27:46.113 --> 01:27:48.114 have a run in with the same problems. Those of us that hunt don't 01:27:48.150 --> 01:27:50.150 have a place the table when it 01:28:02.597 --> 01:28:05.320 comes to making decisions. Most dofa are not the decision-makers. 01:28:05.320 --> 01:28:07.102 >> I need to wrap this up. >> I will put one person from your side of things on this 01:28:07.102 --> 01:28:09.102 group but you need to tell me 01:28:10.872 --> 01:28:12.872 what organization is the go to 01:28:15.377 --> 01:28:17.377 organization? 01:28:25.354 --> 01:28:27.288 >> why rifle association and. [Name] Are two good 01:28:31.193 --> 01:28:33.160 organizations to to bring. >> if you're going to bring a 01:28:39.301 --> 01:28:41.903 second amendment gun rights advocate onto the commissioning to look at every town against 01:28:41.904 --> 01:28:43.904 gun violence and put them on 01:28:44.740 --> 01:28:46.740 the commission. 01:28:53.182 --> 01:28:55.751 In have that alternate advocacy position. >> that's a good compromise. 01:28:55.751 --> 01:28:56.994 We'll put your organization on their. 01:28:59.622 --> 01:29:01.622 >> why 01:29:07.797 --> 01:29:09.147 ii rifle association. >>. 01:29:12.167 --> 01:29:14.167 [Voice low] 01:29:16.400 --> 01:29:17.773 >> how about the hawaii firearms coalition? 01:29:22.812 --> 01:29:24.812 Is that a decent nonvolatile 01:29:25.568 --> 01:29:27.604 group? This thing will evolve. 01:29:27.878 --> 01:29:29.328 I just want to send a message that I think this committee 01:29:39.796 --> 01:29:42.464 with nine members are stacked. i don't want to pick the organization because I'm not 01:29:51.909 --> 01:29:53.260 familiar with them. >>. 01:30:23.807 --> 01:30:26.410 [Voice low] >> any final commentary on 2744e will take a brief 01:39:56.220 --> 01:39:58.525 recess prior to taking vote. >> thank you for everyone's patience were reconvening our 01:39:58.525 --> 01:40:00.527 committee on public safety and intergovernmental military 01:40:00.527 --> 01:40:03.290 affairs for a 1:30 agenda for decision-making. First on hospital 1902 hd one 01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:07.567 relating to firearms we heard a lot of testimony and would like 01:40:10.871 --> 01:40:12.122 to make one amendment to this measure. 01:40:13.340 --> 01:40:15.340 Actually two amendments. 01:40:19.981 --> 01:40:22.850 One is taken the industry to make sure we are not negatively impacting our motion picture 01:40:23.351 --> 01:40:25.986 and video industry. Also too technical and 01:40:26.854 --> 01:40:29.622 non-substantive minutes to 1902. Any discussion? 01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:33.359 If not, senator baker I vote 01:40:35.997 --> 01:40:37.997 yes. 01:40:44.606 --> 01:40:46.606 >>. 01:40:49.644 --> 01:40:51.578 [Voting] Measures adopted. >> onto house bill 2292 hd one 01:40:51.646 --> 01:40:54.548 relating to electric guns. Will make a number of 01:40:57.219 --> 01:40:59.855 amendments to this measure. First, technical amendments for 01:40:59.855 --> 01:41:01.855 clarity. 01:41:02.424 --> 01:41:04.424 We'll take the ag's testimony 01:41:06.962 --> 01:41:08.996 regarding clarifying of fingerprinting the process. 01:41:09.998 --> 01:41:11.998 Also, on page 13 line 20 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:14.802 require that any person desiring to sell or distribute 01:41:18.574 --> 01:41:21.442 or otherwise transfer cartridges to be licensed however on page 18 line 3 01:41:22.678 --> 01:41:24.678 section 134 dash f it only 01:41:28.160 --> 01:41:30.170 requires a licensee to post a license to sell, distribute or 01:41:33.489 --> 01:41:35.524 otherwise transfer electronic guns. If the intent is to include 01:41:35.524 --> 01:41:37.526 licensing for cartridges in addition to electronic guns the 01:41:37.526 --> 01:41:39.526 committee May want to amend 01:41:46.602 --> 01:41:48.102 section 130 4f to include cartridges. 01:41:48.605 --> 01:41:50.539 That is the amendment for house bill 2292 hd one. 01:42:04.286 --> 01:42:06.889 Any discussion? The recognition is to pass this with amendments. 01:42:07.991 --> 01:42:09.991 I vote yes. 01:42:14.964 --> 01:42:16.328 >>. [Voting] 01:42:20.102 --> 01:42:22.503 >> we go on to house bill 2709 hd two relating to the uniform 01:42:23.774 --> 01:42:25.641 probate code. We have all positive 01:42:27.411 --> 01:42:29.411 testimonies suggested action is 01:42:30.460 --> 01:42:32.460 to move this measure out as is. 01:42:32.515 --> 01:42:34.515 Any discussion? 01:42:35.850 --> 01:42:37.850 Senator baker I vote yes. 01:42:42.693 --> 01:42:44.762 >>. [Voting] >> on house bill 2736 hd one 01:42:44.762 --> 01:42:46.762 relating to firearms and 01:42:48.665 --> 01:42:50.599 ammunition this bill has a lot of trouble so I'm going to 01:42:54.771 --> 01:42:57.700 suggest we defer action on the measure. The last bill on the agenda is 01:42:57.700 --> 01:42:59.700 set house bill 2744 hd one 01:43:03.470 --> 01:43:05.548 relating to gun violence prevention. This committee I think will do 01:43:05.549 --> 01:43:07.549 some good work but I believe it 01:43:11.455 --> 01:43:13.990 is really stacked in favor of one perspective. I'm going to add two members to 01:43:14.559 --> 01:43:16.559 this nine-member commission. 01:43:18.262 --> 01:43:20.262 Those two members will be one 01:43:21.465 --> 01:43:23.466 person from every town for gun safety. The second member is going to 01:43:24.602 --> 01:43:26.202 be someone from the firearms advocacy group. 01:43:26.604 --> 01:43:28.604 We will specify which group. 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:30.740 Will at the next committee determined the appropriate 01:43:41.786 --> 01:43:43.954 member to balance out this commission. We will have technical 01:43:46.223 --> 01:43:48.223 amendments for clarity. 01:43:48.326 --> 01:43:50.326 Also, on page 7 lines 3-4 01:43:50.562 --> 01:43:53.970 defined ghost guns however the term is only used the purpose 01:43:59.237 --> 01:44:01.406 of section of the measure and not found anywhere else in the measure or in the hawaii 01:44:01.406 --> 01:44:03.406 revised statutes. 01:44:03.641 --> 01:44:05.709 This term should be deleted. We'll delete ghost guns page 7 01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:09.714 lines 3-4. It will be in addition to the 01:44:11.383 --> 01:44:13.184 two members we have added onto this commission. 01:44:14.353 --> 01:44:16.721 Members, any discussion? If not, senator baker I vote 01:44:17.589 --> 01:44:19.589 yes. 01:44:19.658 --> 01:44:21.658 >>. 01:44:24.280 --> 01:44:25.930 [Voting] Measure is adopted. >> thank you very much, we are 01:44:30.636 --> 01:44:32.636 adjourned.